Raised Table – Corner concerns

We have had a few comments from residents concerned about the raised table junction at Carlingford and Waldeck and the potential risk of vehicles cutting a corner. Above are two examples of locations in the London Borough of Haringey where a raised table has been installed, which both work without additional protection. However, every case is different and we want to ensure the safety of all road users. We have been on site at the raised table junction at Carlingford and Waldeck earlier this week and we are in the process of monitoring the installation – as we do throughout each construction process. We will decide on the best course of action next week and let residents know as soon as possible.

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7 Responses to Raised Table – Corner concerns

  1. nick says:

    Thanks to ben for showing these examples. However I dont think you can compare the two. These photos show a clear distinction from road to pavement…ie the table is black against the grey pavements. Further there are the correct road lines so cars can stop and give way, yellow lines round the corners again showing a clear distinction where road and pavement is. According to John Mcqueen it is not intended that the road lines would be replaced on the waldeck/ carlingford road junctions although after objections he has informed residents that you will be monitoring. As far as whether they actually slow down the trafic you cannot really tell by a photo and certainly the road here doesnt seem as narrow as langham road or have a sharp bend as does here. maybe a better example of an area more similar to ours maybe convincing but this certainly hasnt convinced me what so ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  2. – On all the raised junctions it is Council policy that all yellow lines will need to be applied, this will have effect of further demarking the pavement and road.
    – We appreciate all resident comments – but I want to clarify that it is council and Sustrans policy to closely monitor all installations post-construction.
    – The purpose of the photos in this post were not to illustrate how the raised table slows traffic, but to provide examples that show the lack of additional street furniture on the corners of the junctions as requested from residents.

  3. Rob says:

    I discovered today that new give way lines have been painted on at this junction.
    While lines separating the pavement from the road may allay the concerns of the residents, it seems that the whole point of the raised junction has been compromised by the give way lines. The psychological affect of the raised junction is to let drivers know they are entering a new zone and care must be taken whilst crossing it. With the give way lines replaced, drivers going down Carlingford road can continue on their speedy way in the knowledge that other traffic will wait for them.
    With the give way lines there, the road is affectively as it was and the project becomes a massive waste of money.

  4. Jess says:

    I’m really surprised at the (non)height of these tables – they don’t seem raised much at all and have had no effect on the cars I’ve seen speeding across them. Likewise with the smaller strips across the road further up Carlingford, which look pretty but seem to do very little. Glad to know that they’ll be monitored over the coming months, though of course I doubt digging them all up to make more obviously ‘raised’ tables won’t be an option!

    • Just to clarify that the raised tables can only be as high as the surrounding kerbs. The tables are at the regulation height and the ramps are the standard angle. We will be installing the tree features onto each raised table which will restul in further traffic calming. In our opinion the tables are already having an effect on traffic speed but this will be clearer once the scheme is complete. As you say, we will be closely monitoring the results and comparing with the pre-project data.

  5. j fox says:

    A better way of traffic calming may have been achieved by making a no left turn into carlingford road except for buses going into the bus station. The blockwork at the top can hardly been seen because cars are parked over most of it. I would rather have seen some tree planting at the top end of carlingford. However as I have not been involved which this project, I accept that my comments are a bit late.
    Living at the top end of carlingford road, I am constantly aware of the amount of litter that accumulates around the parked cars because people clear out their cars and throw the rubbish in the gutters. There is also a litter problem around the planting in front of the bus terminal, as people sit around drinking and leave their cans, vodka bottles etc. This area often looks quite neglected.

    • Thanks for the comment. Just to let you know that at the beginning of the process we asked residents whether they would want to limit access – which, as you say, would solve the issue of rat running – but they chose against this option for a variety of reasons. In terms of the block work at the entry points to the neighbourhood (including at Carlingford Road), as is shown on the designs, we will be planting two cherry trees on either side of the road and reinstalling a short section of yellow lines. These measures will ensure that the feature stands out against the parked cars and is visible to those entering the neighbourhood (these features will be installed over the coming weeks). I will get in contact with the bus garage regarding the the planted area and see if we can get more regular rubbish pick ups – we might also be able to install a nearby rubbish bin.

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